Who defended them? And where did child murder come into play?

I wanted to address this in a separate response.

 In a previous post - or did you miss that? I have no issue with drivers education and do think the new driver should be paying for it. Not the taxpayers. If they want to drive they should pay, not me.

Friday, February 23, 2007

That was an interesting rebuttal; you still refuse to see that human lives have been lost.  That is the major problem with the world now.  No one cares.  And you still seem to have a problem with funding this project.  Life is more important than money.  How about some feed back other than Techie.  How do others feel about it?  Education or death???? 

 Alright, I'll try it one more time...

Driver's education needs to be law in Georgia.  Three people have died this week-end because of uneducated drivers.

1) Stockbridge: 15 year old (Not even legal to drive) kills his best friend running a stop sign on a busy highway.

2) Cherokee County: 16 year old kills her MOTHER AND GRANDMOTHER because she over corrected her car.

It should be required for every one to take the course.

I do see the lives have been lost. However, I don’t agree driver’s education would make the impact you are suggesting. Driver’s *training* would be much better. You can’t seem to understand our point of disagreement is you think drivers education would save a lot of lives, I disagree. I don’t defend the people you used in your example, nor am I against drivers education.

If you want more people involved in this thread then begin a blog in all states. And yes, I will debate on it, just as you hopefully will.

I’m reading back…you made a point life is more important that money.

http://www.joshuabrownfoundation.org/Joshua's%20Law.html

 The Teenage and Adult Driver Responsibility Act (TADRA), enacted on July 1, 1997, led to a 44.5 percent decline in teenage speed-related crashes in 18 months, which was five times less than the rate of drivers over age 24.

I guess plate wire is limiting my entries.  I'm having to enter them in sections.  Is big brother watching????

Platewire does limit size of post but I find that true only if I exceed about 1.25 pages in Word.

 I am just now researching driver's ed programs due to my child getting close to that "age".  Techie and I have discussed this some prior to this post and I am in agreement with the fact he brings up, why are 15 and 16 year old CHILDREN driving.  In my opinion, the wrecks caused by these teenagers are mostly due to LACK OF EXPERIENCE!!!  Anybody can go through a drivers ed program, does that mean they are "ready" to drive on their own, with other teenagers in the car, I don't think so!!  Again, in my opinion, teenagers should not be able to get an unrestricted license until they have YEARS of experience behind their belt!  Although my daughter loves to go around saying, "I will be 15 in so many months and can drive"!  I love to be able to remind her that, although the state of SC allows her to get a permit at that age, it does not mean she is able to drive!!  It has been told to her many many times, she will not be able to drive until she has alot of experience, acts maturely, shows alot of responsibility and does very well in her school drivers ed class!  I have told her many times, it's not anything off my a**(excuse me) if she can't drive because she has not met the standards laid out for her.  I feel that if more parents took this mentality instead of giving their "child" the keys to the car and the freedom to go on their own before they have been trained and had the opportunity to get as much experience as possible, then maybe the number of teen wrecks/deaths would show some decline.  In my opinion, a big decline.    

Tdecker thank you. Most people don’t understand it’s the experience which plays the larger role, not drivers education. Drivers education would reduce incidents but that reduction would be slight.

Good Luck techie, rationality just seemingly does not prevail at times! 

Read the previous thread. I'm now being accused of turning it around to make me look good. I've also been accused of attacking people.

I am having trouble understanding the history of the GA Driver's Ed system. At first glance, it seems that there is no mandatory training? I am confused.

Med5143, Big Brother is far too busy with other things to scrutinize this site for people to limit or posts to censor. It's something in the wonderful world of the interweb. Either your ISP got a hiccup or the server got a hiccup or 200 people alll tried to post at the same time or something! I've had it happen to me and so have many others. It's not about you.

I am also confused that someone would be derisive of those who advocate decent writing in one breath and call for better education in the next.

Kel

Techie remind me to make sure I know what I'm talking about when I debate you.  Zoinks you are one smart cookie.

 MED5143 - please bring this to the all states page, I would love to see it and the continuing saga unfold.

Drivers education may reduce the number of deaths, it won’t eliminate them. And nobody knows for certain if we would have a reduction of fatalities either.

You know when I first started with Plate wire I thought this would be a great way to let others know how dangerous people are driving.  Was I wrong?  Yes! It seems every blog I submit some smart ass, has a response and it seem to be defending the guilty person. You know techie you made every remark in response to make it sound like you’re the type of person that if you child committed murder they did no wrong.  In response to your inquires as to if I was there when these accidents happen?  Well guess what, I was at the Stockbridge accident and saw that kid take his last breathe when he died while the firefighters were cutting him out.  The impact was so hard the center post was in the middle of the car.  And also I have been in public safety for 32 years and have seen how the increase of children deaths has occurred because of stupidity. Every seen a mother grieve over her child being killed?  While the child is lying dead in the car or street from being ejected? When driver’s education was around there were less wrecks and stupid actions on the road.  To me this web site doesn’t meet my goals.  Like I said I thought this was a site to report stupid drivers, not to defend them.  So as for me I have no use for this web site.  So you won’t be seeing anymore stupid drivers from the “Southside” as far as I’m concern they can keep doing their stupid acts as long as they don’t bother me.  And if they do they better have a good lawyer.  Because I do.  As I have stated, whenever they get drivers education back in there will be a decrease of children deaths.  And drivers will be more educated.  And as I stated if you can breathe, sign your name and smile you’ll get a license.  Most of these people have no clue to what any of these signs read much less what they mean.  I just hope I don’t run into any of you on the road.  Either driving stupid or being cut out of an entrapment from a wreck.  So look out folks on the Southside.  And plate wire please remove my profile.  And unfair to the poor?  My God they have better free benefits than those that really have to pay.  I’m sure they would get it free like everything else.  Like I have said also before seeing these people parking in the handicap parking.  Being a lard bucket does not constitute disability.  Did anybody hold a gun to your head while engulf food all day long?  People with real handicaps can’t find a place to park because of someone with a toe ache got their doctor or either bought it on the black market illegal.  And yes if people can duplicate money they can reproduce handicap tags.  Now that I’ve gotten some of my anger out I feel a little better.  But everyday and every where children are dying at an earlier age because of poor education.  And that’s anything, kids are coming out school so stupid they graduate them just to get them out.  That and lack of discipline has destroyed this nation.  As the famous words of Flo’ “KISS MY GRITS”

New to the site but like the idea that it plays into. Drivers safety is a joke throughout this country. I originally learned how to drive in Europe. My first liscence cost me 1800 euros close to $3000 USD I had extensive drivers training for over a year. where I would spend hours a day behind the wheel at speeds that in this country is considered utter madness. At certian points I was taken to a skid pad and given the keys to different kind of cars and placed in situations that were both exhilirating and terrifying. Taught to control power, when and where to change gears, and how to counter steer in different kinds of cars so that if it occured outside on the road I would know how to react and counteract. Now fast forward to my second american liscence when I got back from europe. My liscence cost me $45 USD and required I have 3 hours of driver training. I failed my first drivers test in the states because I allowed my free hand to rest on the shifter in that parking lot that they gave me the test in. 2 days later I took the test again and that gentleman said "eh I'm in a hurry gun it!" 5 minutes later I had an American Liscence. So with all that being said who would you want your child learning to drive from?

As for me I am in my 20's I have had 1 accident since I first started driving at 16 from someone test driving a Mustang GT that his daddy was buying him for his graduation and smoking the tires out out of a stop sign to my passenger side door. I have got speeding tickets that started accumulating after 18 my first one 2 weeks back from Germany I was pulled over for doing 136 in a 70mph zone (Please note that most of germany has no speed limits and our interstate system was designed after the German Audobahn). I only pass on the left as the law states I should. I also have slowed down but average between 85 mph (slowes speed allowable on Audobahn was 80 mph) and 110 mph on the interstate. depending on weather, traffic conditions, and area I am driving in. There have been times when it was prudent to go 45 mph on the interstate and I happily did it. On other roads or highways I follow the speed limit to a T or just below.

I also study criminal justice and am pursuing a career in law enforcement. I also know that some of the things I have said will point a lot of anger my way having the site be what it is. But take not on this and the discussion. Speed doesn't kill. Drivers who don't how to control vehicles going at that speed do. In this country we need more and better driver safety.

New to the site but like the idea that it plays into. Drivers safety is a joke throughout this country. I originally learned how to drive in Europe. My first liscence cost me 1800 euros close to $3000 USD I had extensive drivers training for over a year. where I would spend hours a day behind the wheel at speeds that in this country is considered utter madness. At certian points I was taken to a skid pad and given the keys to different kind of cars and placed in situations that were both exhilirating and terrifying. Taught to control power, when and where to change gears, and how to counter steer in different kinds of cars so that if it occured outside on the road I would know how to react and counteract. Now fast forward to my second american liscence when I got back from europe. My liscence cost me $45 USD and required I have 3 hours of driver training. I failed my first drivers test in the states because I allowed my free hand to rest on the shifter in that parking lot that they gave me the test in. 2 days later I took the test again and that gentleman said "eh I'm in a hurry gun it!" 5 minutes later I had an American Liscence. So with all that being said who would you want your child learning to drive from?

As for me I am in my 20's I have had 1 accident since I first started driving at 16 from someone test driving a Mustang GT that his daddy was buying him for his graduation and smoking the tires out out of a stop sign to my passenger side door. I have got speeding tickets that started accumulating after 18 my first one 2 weeks back from Germany I was pulled over for doing 136 in a 70mph zone (Please note that most of germany has no speed limits and our interstate system was designed after the German Audobahn). I only pass on the left as the law states I should. I also have slowed down but average between 85 mph (slowes speed allowable on Audobahn was 80 mph) and 110 mph on the interstate. depending on weather, traffic conditions, and area I am driving in. There have been times when it was prudent to go 45 mph on the interstate and I happily did it. On other roads or highways I follow the speed limit to a T or just below.

I also study criminal justice and am pursuing a career in law enforcement. I also know that some of the things I have said will point a lot of anger my way having the site be what it is. But take not on this and the discussion. Speed doesn't kill. Drivers who don't how to control vehicles going at that speed do. In this country we need more and better driver safety.